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dealing with it. >> dana: have many days to talk about it, an extraordinary day where we watched the president do this amazing town hall on school shootings. that's it for us. bret is up with more reaction on the president's listening session. >> bret: president trump listens to students, parents and teachers about gun violence and preventing more school shootings following the massacre in florida. survivors of the attack rally at the state capital to pressure florida lawmakers for changes. we look back at the life of america's past or following the death of the reverend billy graham. this is "special report" ." good evening. welcome to washington. i am bret baier. one week after the deadly shooting at us how for the high schooler claim 17 lives, and forever changed many times that. survivors brought their demand for new gun controls a new security measures to the state
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capital in tallahassee. meanwhile, here in washington, moments ago, president trump finished up what the white house billed as a listening session that really turned into an open exchange of ideas and emotion. where fox team coverage tonight. steve harrigan is in parkland, florida, with the students' story down there. we start off with chief white house correspondent john roberts on the north lawn. >> good evening. it was another extra in a moment at the white house. the nation allowed to listening to students from douglass high and the parent of one of the children killed there appealed to president trump to not let the douglas school shooting be like all the others this nation has seen. to actually make a difference this time. in the state dining room today, six students from douglas high school and their parents come abroad to washington by the department of education. >> nothing ever that horrible should ever have to happen to you. >> i was lucky enough to come home from school. maybe compromise on some
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solution so this never happens. no child, no person in this world will have to go through something so horrific. >> the solution is not going to be singular. it's going to be multifaceted. >> it is not left or right, not political. it's a human issue. >> i can't understand why i can still go in a store and buy them back a weapon of war. >> stories of the terror. for the father of meadow pollack, the anguish and anger of a parent who will never see their child again. >> there should've been one school shooting and we should have fixed it. and i am pissed. it's my daughter i am not going to see again. she is not here. she is not here. she is at king david cemetery. >> also parents of children killed at sandy hook elementary,
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the parents of rachel scott, the first student killed at columbine and students and teachers from d.c. high schools. president trump was a listening mode but also coming to the meeting with ideas of his own. >> president trump: we are going to be very strong on background checks. very strong on background checks. strong emphasis on the mental health. we're going to do plenty of other things. >> before president trump convened the meeting, protesters marched through washington to the white house to observe a moment of silence. to read the names of the fallen. and to demand the president do something concrete to address the epidemic of school and mask shootings in america. -- mass shootings in america. >> we need common sense gun control legislation now. >> president trump pledged the
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douglas school shooting will be like the others, that it will result in changes. among the things he is considering: raising the federal minimum age to buy a rifle from 18. keeping guns out of the hands of people who should never own them. addressing the issue of mental illness and tightening up background checks to make sure red flags don't fall through the cracks. the president also suggested military veterans could be hired to provide security in schools. >> you would have a lot of people who would be armed, ready, they may be professionals. they may be marines who left the marines, left the army, left the air force. they are very adapted doing tha that. you'd have a lot of them and they would be spread evenly throughout the schools. >> just the first listening session the president will have this week. tomorrow he meets with state and local officials. next week he meets with the nation's governors to talk about the problem. bret, we've been here many times in the past but at least on the surface, this time is beginning
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to feel different. >> bret: definitely different. we will see where this goes. john, another topic. we heard from white house chief of staff john kelly about security clearances specifically dealing with jared kushner. >> last friday chief of staff john kelly shared a five page memorandum same people who have security clearances pending as of june 1 or prior will lose their interim security clearance as of this friday. that apparently does not apply to jared kushner. changes made in the clearance form, the background form you fill out to get your full security clearance, that was not submitted until after june 1. chief of staff john kelly said and press secretary sarah huckabee sanders said jared kushner will continue to fulfill his job which involves looking at some of the most highly classified information that passes through the white house. kelly said he's going to review it every month or so. if kushner does not get his full
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security clearance soon, he may not be out of the woods. >> bret: john roberts, thank you. court records indicate at least one new charge has been filed under seal in the case against president trump's former campaign chairman. the filing indicates a sealed document was entered in paul manafort's case. no details such as who it is against or whether it's part of a plea deal are disclosed. as we mentioned, about 100 students from marjory stoneman douglas high school spent the day at the florida state capital demanding stricter gun control measures. correspondent steve harrigan is in parkland, florida, again this evening to tell us whether they think they're making a difference. it's going to be on them, and it's going to be their fault. >> tears for the students of stoneman douglas high school. after the florida legislature refused to consider a bill that would ban the sale of assault rifles like the one used to kill
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17 of their classmates and teachers. 100 students came to tallahassee by bus to share their experiences firsthand with lawmakers. they carried sleeping bags, pillows, and a determined sense of optimism that after such a horrific event, it would be able to make change where others had failed. >> we want to change their mind-set and show them what it was like to be trapped in the school, not knowing if we were going to walk out. >> maybe there should be restrictions. i have been a strong trump supporters. i have been able to go to the middle ground and understand their needs to be changes. >> florida officials hinted some modest measures may be achievable such as raising the age requirement to buy a rifle from 18 to 21 or passing red flag loss that would allow law enforcement or family members to have a weapon taken away from someone deemed a threat. >> when you want to get to the
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root cause of the problem, you've got to do two things. you have to ban assault weapons and you also have to have the criminal background checks on all purchases of a gun. >> at noon today, students from across the country walked out of classes in an effort to highlight the issue. this as the suspected shooter, 19-year-old nikolas cruz, remains in solitary confinement after a brief court appearance monday. financial records show cruz's half-brother could stand to inherit up to $1 million from the estate of his adoptive mother who died from pneumonia last year. bret, one of the real dangers of the school shootings are potential copycat attacks. it looks likes los angeles police may have thwarted one. school security guard overheard a disgruntled student making a threat. when police searched the students house, they found two
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ar-15 assault rifles and hundreds of rounds of ammunition. >> bret: steve harrigan live in parkland. thanks. tonight the world is mourning the loss of one of the most influential people in history. the reverend billy graham died at his north carolina home this morning. he was 99. during most of those years, graham spread the gospel to hundreds of millions of people in person and almost 200 countries. he was a pastor to the world and a pastor to presidents. president trump tweeted today: "the great billy graham is dead. there was nobody like him! he will be missed by christians and all religions. a very special man." >> jesus said there is two road roads. >> fitting for a man who touched hundreds of millions with this message of hope and faith. >> followed jesus. let him lead you home. >> bret: the outpouring of condolences for the passing of
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billy graham have been just as heartfelt. >> we remember reverend graham and keep his family in our hearts, we continue this work. >> bret: graham preached two more people than anyone. >> christianity is not a white man's religion. don't let anyone tell you it is white or black. christ belongs to all people. >> bret: a man of god humbled by the fellowship that shaped and embraced him, called by some the protestant pope. the world was his pulpit. the reverend billy graham said he first felt the spirit at age 16 after hearing an evangelist preached. soon after, leaving his family's dairy farm for bible college in florida where he started preaching on the streets of tampa. >> the saloon keeper threw me out into a ditch and told me never to come back. >> bret: graham received a warmer reception from ruth bell. they married in 1943. is there family grew, started
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his ministry. >> problems of sin that cannot resolve outside the person of our lord jesus christ. >> bret: a 1949 california tent revival drew national attention. >> israel did not obey the voice of god. israel wandered further and further from god. >> bret: crowds began filling stadiums, coming to hear a spirited new message about jesus christ and his heavenly father. >> i want to tell you about god. >> bret: graham became a confident of presidents and offered spiritual guidance at seven inauguration's. although he was asked many times to run for office, graham said he was never tempted. he just wanted to preach the which he did, into his 80s. >> i have no plans to retire. the lord may have plans. >> bret: parkinson's disease slowed him down. >> i think god has sent it to me at this age to show me that i am totally dependent on him.
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>> bret: his ministry has been passed onto his daughter an end son franklin, who spoke with us during the 26 team election about his father's impact. what would your dad say about the current state of affairs politically in the country? >> my father is not only sad. i think he's -- discouraged is probably a better word. he is discouraged when he sees how far we have fallen so quickly and how quickly our nation and politicians have turned against god. >> bret: what started in a tent so many decades ago has turned into the largest ministry in world history, a multimedia innovator into the digital age. billy graham's legacy lives on with a simple enduring message. >> if you remember nothing that i stay tonight except one thing i want you to remember. god loves you. >> bret: billy graham,
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99 years old. let's get more on the incredible life and ministry of billy graham. joining us exclusively tonight, tony perkins in dallas. >> good to be with you. >> bret: your thoughts on billy graham's life and legacy. >> no question billy graham touched the world. his ministry reached to all corners of the earth. in the united states, he has almost universal name recognition. not many people have grown up without hearing him. his legacy really is not so much and looking back but it's looking forward, not only for him and eternity, he is poured his life into so many people and his son, franklin, an end graham watts, they continue his ministry and really building upon the foundation he laid. >> bret: he was a pastor to presidents. we received statements today from five living presidents, all of them putting out a statement they were touched by billy graham in one way or another.
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but it goes beyond that. i have done some research on the books. eisenhower was the first president to really connect with billy graham in the white house. he had a long relationship with billy graham. when he was deciding whether to run in 1951, billy graham sent him a letter saying "sometimes i wonder who's going to win back the battle first. the barbarians beating at our gates or the termites from within." upon this decision could well rest the destiny of the world. he had an active role helping eisenhower make his decision. why do you think he was so valuable to presidents? >> i think billy graham, he mainstreamed evangelicalism in the country, really laid the foundation for what came later, the moral majority, in even the evangelical vote that turned out to help president trump succeed. notice what he said there.
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he helped bring together what the bible has to say, the moral and political. the moral and the culture, bringing those two together to know there's a connection but he spoke it in such a way, a nonpartisan way. he spoke to each president equally. spoke truth to power but he was uncompromising. one thing that's so refreshing in the world in which we live today is that he finished well. there was no scandal. there was nothing in his life other than his ministry. he was faithful to the lord jesus christ to the end. and he preached that same message of truth regardless of what the conditions were in the culture around us. >> bret: take a listen to billy graham, 2005. >> you have come to jesus. jesus loves you. he forgives you. you come to the cross.
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when he went to the cross, what he suffered for you. he came to die for us. you've come to say lord, thank you for dying for me. >> bret: it was not about him. went through a stretch in the '80 is where televangelists, as you mentioned, had some serious scandals. for billy graham, it was not about him. >> always about the gospel, and that's what i appreciate about his son franklin who is a chip off the old block. franklin does not speak unless he presents the gospel of jesus christ, that all of us have hope, purpose, and meaning. we find that in the forgiveness that comes through jesus christ. that was at the center of billy graham's ministry. it remained that until the very end and now he has others who have picked that up, and so his legacy lives on not only in his own children but in the lives of all of those he has touched literally around the world. >> bret: i want to ask you to other questions.
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in the midst of this gun talk and school shootings, one of the things we haven't really focused on is the status of moral america and families in america and how much that factors in to this, and what billy graham perhaps would've said about it. >> it's critical. you go back to what george washington said in his farewell address to the nation, that the two great pillars of our society, this experiment, is religion and morality. you cannot have -- he cautioned us to think we could somehow have morality without religion. we wonder why we see violence. i was talking with franklin about this of years ago. when billy graham was at the height of his ministry, he was speaking to the cultural issues but it was a different world then. god was welcomed in society. god was still in our schools. we have kicked god out of the schools. knowing of violence in our schools. maybe, just maybe we ought to return to the idea that there is a god who created us, who loves
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us, and to whom we are accountable. may be that might curb the violence. >> bret: for critics of this administration who say that president trump is not a pillar of morality, and say evangelicals are now just practical about getting supreme court seats or justices. how do you answer that broadly? what do you think billy graham would say about the current state of politics? >> billy graham spoke for himself. a few years ago, he had an open letter to the people of north carolina with the north carolina marriage amendment on the ballot. he spoke we were putting ourselves at risk of god's judgment by redefining marriage. he spoke to those issues. i think when you look at this president and you look at evangelicals supporting him, they realize it's the policies that governments -- government leaders have adopted, the courts have forced on us that is
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excluded god and religion from the public square. yes, they understand if we want a safe, free, successful and strong community, country, and families, we have to be able to practice our religion. we have to be able to express our allegiance to god. we have to be able to say freely "in god we trust." if we continue with these policies, that's going to go away. evangelicals do support presidents, congressmen and others willing to stand up and defend religious freedom and past policies that allow us to preach the gospel without being hindered by government. >> bret: tony perkins with the family research council. the life and legacy of billy graham. tony, thanks. up next, our regulation nation series looks at how president trump's infrastructure plan could rollback a lot of federal rules. or the best? there's one egg that gives them
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♪ >> bret: we continue our regulation nation series with a look at how president trump's massive infrastructure plan could result in significant cutting of federal red tape. corresponded doug mckelway tells us how that would work. >> the bridge is a simple of what ails u.s. infrastructure. the first environment to impact studies taken to raise the roadway to allow ships to pass underneath. the studies took five years and generated 2,000 pages of environmental assessment and another 10,000 pages of preventing. the project is not slated for completion until 2019. >> we built the empire state building in just one year. >> the trump administration trying to cut through such red tape as it proposes a $1.5 trillion infrastructure program. >> the political will has not
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been there. >> you have to take on a lot of lawyers, environment groups. this president has shown he's not afraid of it. >> four days after his inauguration the president signed a memorandum to begin streamlining. the white house cited this study is its road map and found the permitting process so cumbersome it sometimes harms the environment by delaying construction. "america's antiquated part power grid waste the equivalent of 200 burning power plants or $150 billion per year." in subsequent memoranda, the white house promised to establish a one agency, one division structure for environmental review. shorten the length of the environmental review process to two years and eliminate redundant provisions in environmental law. environmentalists and their washington allies say it's the wrong approach. >> i would never argue for a slower permitting process but the way to make it faster is to fund the agencies that already have the charge of putting permit through the system. >> the trump plan gives more power to the states who have
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learned they need to make permitting easier to be competitive. >> states have led the way. they often move towards things like one-stop shopping, concierge services. >> trumps infrastructure promises will be hard to keep. after he gave the go-ahead to complete the keystone xl pipeline ergo, it remains unfinished. environmentalists filed a new lawsuit this week. >> bret: thank you. up next, secret meeting between vice president mike pence and the sister of north korean leader kim jong un that almost happened. alice is living with metastatic breast cancer, which is breast cancer that has spread to other parts of her body. she's also taking prescription ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor, which is for postmenopausal women with hormone receptor-positive her2- metastatic breast cancer
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♪ >> bret: a new study says venezuelans reported losing on average 24 pounds in body weight last year and the almost 90% now live in poverty in that country. venezuela is in the throes of a massive economic downturn as we
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have reported here on "special report." the international monetary fund predicts inflation of 13000% this year. venezuela's president maduro blames the country's economic problems on an economic war waged by the opposition and business leaders with the help of the u.s. we are learning more tonight about a secret meeting between vice president pence and the sister of north korean leader kim jong un that almost place. it was planned come as the vice president led the american delegation to the olympic games in south korea. senior foreign affairs correspondent greg palkot reports tonight from seoul on what went wrong. >> things got a little frosty on the korean peninsula after a cold nonmeeting at the opening ceremonies of the winter olympics between vice president pence and kim jong un's sister. it now turns out there with a face-to-face meeting planned between the two sides for the next day. it was put on ice shortly before. north korea dangled a meeting in the hopes of the vice president
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softening his message. the vice president's chief of staff said "this administration will stand in the way of kim's desire to whitewash their murderous regime. perhaps that's why they walked away from the meeting." pence's trip included a meeting with north korean defectors, hosting the father of otto warmbier, the student who died after being released from captivity in north korea. and talk about the country's nuclear ambitions and a new round of tough economic sanctions. >> i think the vice president was correct to be willing to talk about to do it from a firm principled position. >> south korean president moon reportedly worked on the potentially historic meeting for weeks. both sides seemed wary but willing. part of a south korean plan to use the olympics to foster reconciliation. instead on the day of the canceled talks, moon met with kim's sister kim yo jong who offered him a summit with her brother. moon was left pushing for the u.s.-north korea talks. >> president moon has put his
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neck out in order to arrange the negotiations. it's a setback. >> the focus now is on ivanka trump, daughter and special advisor to the president, set to arrive here friday for the closing ceremonies. white house officials say she will not meet with any north korean officials. there is no word yet who will represent the kim jong un regime at the games closing. experts agree this is by no means the end of the road in efforts to get the u.s. and north korea talking. it is a sign, most say, of how bumpy the road to peace could be. >> bret: greg palkot in seoul. thanks. russia is denying responsibly for the killing of hundreds of civilians in a damascus suburb, calling such claims are unfounded. syrian government forces allegedly with russian and iranian help have been pounding rebel held territory since sunday. correspondent conor powell has the latest from the middle east
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newsroom on attacks some are calling a new holocaust. >> the bombs continue to fall today on eastern ghouta, as they have for weeks. this syrian military offensive is the largest in months and the most deadly. opposition leaders say the assad regime is committing a new holocaust. according to the syrian observer d for human rights, at least 310 people have been killed since sunday. >> the situation is desperate. families do not know where to look for shelter. they are in basements. there are large numbers of civilian casualties, dead and injured. >> the assad regime and the russian backers continue to insist syrian troops are only targeting terrorists. with russia and iran's help, the assad regime has pushed rebel to the brink of defeat. >> translator: we believe it's possible to stop the bloodshed and provide the beginning of a
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settlement. >> despite talk of a settlement, the assad regime appears in no hurry to rush into negotiations, preferring instead to negotiate once the rebels are fully defeated. in northern syria, another sign of just how difficult ending the war has become. government supported militias have moved on the city of afrin to -- turkey continues to see u.s. backed kurdish forces as a threat. insisting kurds giving up the territory is at odds with washington's view. the trump administration successfully carried out a plan to defeat isis in iraq and syria but like the obama administration, the trump white house struggle to find a solution to end the syrian civil war which created a vacuum for groups like isis to emerge. >> bret: conor powell in the middle east newsroom. thanks. up next, iran's war on america
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♪ >> bret: the justice department using a new cybersecurity task force to fight foreign attempt that election interference. the group will also try to slow down the aggressive cyber attacks coming from iran. tonight correspondent gillian turner on the growing threat and some breaking news about what one american company is doing. >> fox news exclusively confirms google has shut down and iranian backed app called telegram black and bandits developer from google's platforms. as u.s. officials ring alarm bells about iran waging cyber warfare against the united states. >> frankly, the united states is under attack. >> it is the latest move of the american government and american companies are taking on these emerging threat from the islamic republic. yesterday the attorney general
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launched a new cybersecurity task force that will go after foreign criminal adversaries. google banned the iranian government spyware app after the national council of resistance of iran issued an alarming report. it exposes how iran's military has manipulative mobile apps to surveil thousands of its own citizens. the report warns western countries are now in the iranian regime's sites. >> they have a units called the intelligence organization and a specific department allocated to the cyber warfare. this is the department that deals with the cyber warfare against western countries but also most recently against their own population. >> the iranian regime has run a very public messaging campaign against the western world targeting its main enemy, the united states. in december, a massive public protest ignited in tehran and quickly spread to many of iran's major cities. u.s. intel community began to suspect iran was using spyware to locate and then arrest
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protesters. u.s. investigators discovered iran was also trying to find ways to spy on americans. >> while russia, china, iran and north korea pose the greatest cyber threats, iran will try to penetrate u.s. and allied networks for espionage and lay the groundwork for future cyber attacks. >> while most americans have been focused on iran's nuclear threat, the trump administration has been grappling with the threat of cyber warfare behind the scenes. this new threat is another factor on the president's mind as he decides whether or not to recertify the nuclear deal in only a few weeks. bret. >> bret: jillian, thank you. wild ride on wall street today with a 400-point swing. dow finished down 167. s&p 500 was off 15. nasdaq dropped 16. we begin our midterm election coverage tonight with new insight on some of the key races in this fall's midterm elections. it's the first of many stories on the hottest contest leading up to november.
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correspondent peter doocy looks at new information on the balance of power. >> if democrats are going to turn this and it blew this fall, they've got a heavy lift because republicans are only defending eight seats. democrats and independents or sit with them, 26. to tilt the chamber, democrats need to win, than to republicans need to lose. incumbents include ten democrats who represent states president trump won. the democratic senatorial campaign committee says that senate democrats facing challenging map but republicans are facing expensive and divisive primaries an electorate that is repulsed by their agenda. the national republican senatorial committee is trying to cast the most vulnerable is very progressive, telling fox that these red state democrats voted against the president's agenda at every turn. they have zero explanation for why they sided with elizabeth warren and voting against president trump's tax plan. speak of the democrats running these races are trying to figure out a message that isn't too critical of trump while trying to win over the
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democratic base. >> fox news power rankings have four seats leaning democratic. ohio, pennsylvania, nevada, montana. she states leading republican. indiana and tennessee where bob corker is rethinking his retirement. then there are the toss-up's. arizona, missouri, north dakota, west virginia florida where president trump is already endorsed outgoing governor rick scott. november's 36 governors races representing opportunities for democrats. >> the issues are different. they are not turning on federal issues. they have a different governing style and not tied inextricably to donald trump or republicans in congress. >> in the house were democrats need to flip 24 seats to win control, democratic candidates have a 6.5. edge on a ballot. they are counting on a different number to carry them. president trump's approval. 38.8%. >> democrats have not come up with a unifying message.
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what are they going to say to the american people other then we don't like trump. unfortunately for republicans, that might be enough. >> another pillar of the democratic strategy is to criticize the tax reform bill. the same tax form bill republicans think is their biggest advantage. i have obtained internal rnc polling that shows most voters in seven swing states believe that tax bill will benefit them. bret. >> bret: peter, thank you. the gun control debate and school security and full focus tonight. activity in florida's state capital and here in the nation's capital one week after the massacre in parkland, florida. we will get reaction to the panel when we come back. ♪ when you have a cold, stuff happens. [ dog groans ]
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>> we are going to be very strong on background checks. very strong background checks, very strong emphasis on the mental health of somebody, and we are going to do plenty of other things. were coming in for most of the states, going to have a very serious talk about what's going on with school safety. very important. we're going to cover every aspect of it. there are many ideas i have come up many ideas of others have, and were going to pick out the strongest ideas, the most important ideas, the ideas that are going to work, and were going to get them done. it's not going to be talk like it has been in the past. >> bret: kudos to president trump and his administration for letting the cameras in and continuing the conversation. an interaction with family members, students who survived that shooting in florida, previous shootings, family members, principals of schools dealing with school security, and there was a lot of emotion
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in those couple of hours. >> i lost a best friend who was practically a brother, and i'm here to use my voice because i know he can't. >> it doesn't make sense. fix it. it should have been one school shooting and we should have fixed it! and i'm pissed because my daughter i'm not going to see again! she's not here. she is not here. >> bret: amazing emotion. and now the fight for solutions. let's bring in our panel. byron york, chief political correspondent of the "washington examiner." amy walther, and jonathan swann, national political reporter. struck by just the whole event and the fact that we were listening in on this exchange, it'd cover all sides, it clearly was not one side or the other, it reminded me of that cabinet meeting where you saw the open
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exchange of lawmakers, this time the added emotional factor of parents who had just lost a loved one this past week. >> it did, and the president did a good thing by letting these people tell their stories. there were a variety of suggestions, and a variety of experiences that people had had with violence, and i think the president clearly wants to be seen as getting ahead of this issue, actually considering taking some action on this. that's why he did this today, that's why he did the thing yesterday. i'm not sure he actually has the authority to do it, but he did it anyway. and what remains to be seen as what exactly would he be behind in terms of what action. he seems clearly to be in favor, or thinking about favoring raising the age for buying a long gone gun to 21 as it is fa handgun. i think the big debate will be about assault weapons. that is always but this comes down to. >> bret: the president
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tweeting on background checks last night, "whether we are republican or democrat, we must now focus on strengthening background checks." he also had this today. >> one possible solution, which may not be very popular, would be to have people in the school, teachers, administrators who have volunteered to have a firearm safely locked in the classroom who are given training throughout the year, to have them raise them their hands and volunteer for the training. when something like this starts, the first responders are already on campus. >> bret: there was some pushback in that room, amy, about that. we are learning tonight, just moments ago, that armed sheriff's deputies are going to be patrolling the area around the school down there where this incident happened as of tomorrow or this week.
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>> this is always a challenge on an issue like this, and as we saw, even on immigration, if you ask a broad question, do support background checks, you get almost universal support. do you support allowing these daca recipients to stay in the country, almost universal. then you get into the details, simply a bill that talked about background checks with nothing else added, if republicans added in something about allowing teachers or other volunteers to be armed, there wasn't another bill this idea that republicans had too about concealed carry issue, that is going to destroy any ability to get democrats on board. if democrats push to bar on limiting access to assault rifles, that's going to push it. nobody seems capable of saying, we are going to solve this one problem. we're not going to solve all of it. you're going to do this one thing, pass it and start it. >> bret: what was compelling
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on the argument for arming people inside the school, whether it is teachers or some trained person, like an air marshal that you don't know is in there, that the father who lost the daughter who said, after 9/11, we figured it out, we, as a country, change things and we figured it out, but after columbine, we didn't figure it out, and school shooting after school shooting, we haven't figured it out. >> it is because the left and the right have different ideas about what gun-control means. there was this debate in the '90s, early '90s, the left was saying, we want a list of everyone who owns a gun, and the right was saying, we want a list of the bad people we want to prevent from having guns, and now it's the same debate. the left wants to reduce the number of firearms and put limits on them, again, very little overlap on this issue real quick.
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this is something that the president instinctively is in favor of. but he is also all over the map, saying kids shouldn't be allowed to have guns, we should raise the age to 21, that's never going to fly, never going to fly with the nra. >> bret: he is pushing it and gets the nra to the table, says we've got to do something. >> they will never support that. if they got behind that, he could get points, but you ain't getting that thing through the house. >> bret: speaking of the house, nancy pelosi and paul ryan on the background check bill. >> all we have been asking of the speaker is to give us a vote. we believe there is bipartisan support for improving the background check bill. >> we had hearings on the gaps in the background check system, and they lead to a conclusion there were gaps that need to be
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fixed and the legislation that has passed the house. we passed legislation cleaning up the instant check background check system. that bill, with others, is sitting over in the united states senate. >> bret: all right, byron. there is a lot of emotion here, a lot of passion. it does seem like a different conversation. but in reality, what are we going to see? >> i don't know if it is a different conversation. trump has to set himself apart from this dysfunctional history of this. personally, looking at it, if they didn't do anything after newtown, someone went in and murdered 20 first graders. if they didn't do anything after newtown, what are they going to do now? >> bret: you have a republican president who has the backing of the nra. >> after newtown, there was a vote on banning assault weapons, democrats controlled the senate 55-45, at 16 democrats voted against end, there was a byproduct of consensus, even on
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pump stocks, after las vegas, to do something, they didn't do it. >> require background checks, that mandatory background check, we saw the clinton assault weapons ban, the on justice department listening, that didn't work then stopping school shootings, as an electoral issue, is not going to drive this? >> that is an interesting question given the emotionality around this but also the activism by younger voters, is this going to activate, it is really unclear. just historically, people who own guns, they tend to be more active.
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they have tweeted about it or engage somehow, or are we going to see a change somehow, . >> i don't know the answer to this question, you are probably the only one who does. >> that was the decisive factor. >> bret: -- that congress rai, what was her name? >> carolyn? >> mahoney? >> mccartney. >> that was really smart. >> that question, you could do chapter and verse, pick the state, pick the year, the concealed carry permits in this country, they care about it, it is an issue. >> bret: i've got to run. does something happen
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legislatively? >> i think something happens, but it is modest. >> i am very skeptical that anything happens. speak up modest. >> bret: final thoughts on the reverend billy graham, his life and legacy when we return.
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>> there are problems of sin and habit that cannot be solved outside the person of our lord jesus christ. ♪ >> martha: good evening, everybody, i'm martha maccallum, and this is "the story." in a moment, when the nation is struggling with violence and divisiveness, two important things happened today that make us stop and think about where we are headed as a nation. but first, listening at the white house. >> should have been one school shooting, and we should have fixed it. and i'm pissed because my daughter i'm not going to see again. she is not here. never, ever will i see my kid. that's how i want it to sink in for eternity.


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